GOREROT
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Post by GOREROT on May 22, 2008 5:02:24 GMT -5
I think this overtraining shit is bs. I think ppl use this as an excuse not to work out hard or put the time into it. I'm tired of hearing this shit. Ppl fear overtraining like they fear Kai Green in the produce section of thier local Wal Mart. The same ppl that spew this nonsense are the same 140lb weaklings i see year after year. Fvck them.
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Post by lee2000 on May 23, 2008 5:04:27 GMT -5
i total agree if you eat rite and get enough rest overtraining is rubbish.
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Post by Leon on May 23, 2008 12:17:14 GMT -5
"You cant over train! You can only under eat" TREY BREWER
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GOREROT
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Post by GOREROT on May 23, 2008 15:06:51 GMT -5
"You cant over train! You can only under eat" TREY BREWER haha ive heard this before to, so tru
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Post by SAVAGE HULK on May 25, 2008 19:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah I think overtraining is a bunch of bull too, in BBing terms anyway. If ur just a dedicated BBer and do nothing else but train, then overtraining shouldnt be a problem.
Just eat, lift, and rest.
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redrider
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Post by redrider on May 26, 2008 10:45:21 GMT -5
Actually, you can over train. Ive done it but I was still new to weight lifting and was spending about 3 or so hours in the weight room about 3 or 4 days a week. After about an hour or so, depending on your diet and rest, your body starts making catabolic (cortisol) hormones and you are wasting your time.
You want to keep your system in an anabolic state, muscle building, as much as possible. Everyone should know that a catabolic, muscle wasting or burning, state is where you have used up the available energy supplies and your body has started useing your muscles for fuel to keep your vital organs working properly. Thats why some people will do more exercises, spend more time on thier workout, than you do and almost seem to get no results while you do.
There are several things that can extend the amount of time that you can work out untill your body starts to enter a catabolic state such as a good diet, plenty of rest and a good set of supplements (or drugs if you go that route). No matter what you do you will still put your body in a catabolic state if your weight lifting session is long enough. The order that your body uses available stores as energy is as follows, glycogen, fat and then amino acids (amino acids from muscle breakdown). Thats why most people in the gym will do thier cardio first thing in the morning or right after a weight trainning session. Thats when your muscle glycogen (ATP) is lowest and you are useing your fat stores for energy.
I could go on but the easy way to tell if you are over training is to pay attention to how your body feels. Have you ever went to the gym and just couldnt get into doing your workout? You felt tired, run down and your exercises just seemed harder than usual, ie you just couldnt get 8 reps at 200 pounds when you did the same 8 reps at 200 last week and it was easy? You have entered the early stages of over training. Believe it or not what you do at the gym is only a small part of what makes you gain muscle. You also need to pay attention to your diet and rest.
If you want to continue to train like you cant over train, I say go for it! That will make it a lot easier for me to catch up and pass you in muscle size and strength. Good Luck, I hope I didnt go over anyones head but I tried to include some useful info in my post. . . . . . .Red
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Post by SAVAGE HULK on May 26, 2008 17:52:45 GMT -5
Actually, you can over train. Ive done it but I was still new to weight lifting and was spending about 3 or so hours in the weight room about 3 or 4 days a week. After about an hour or so, depending on your diet and rest, your body starts making catabolic (cortisol) hormones and you are wasting your time. You want to keep your system in an anabolic state, muscle building, as much as possible. Everyone should know that a catabolic, muscle wasting or burning, state is where you have used up the available energy supplies and your body has started useing your muscles for fuel to keep your vital organs working properly. Thats why some people will do more exercises, spend more time on thier workout, than you do and almost seem to get no results while you do. There are several things that can extend the amount of time that you can work out untill your body starts to enter a catabolic state such as a good diet, plenty of rest and a good set of supplements (or drugs if you go that route). No matter what you do you will still put your body in a catabolic state if your weight lifting session is long enough. The order that your body uses available stores as energy is as follows, glycogen, fat and then amino acids (amino acids from muscle breakdown). Thats why most people in the gym will do thier cardio first thing in the morning or right after a weight trainning session. Thats when your muscle glycogen (ATP) is lowest and you are useing your fat stores for energy. I could go on but the easy way to tell if you are over training is to pay attention to how your body feels. Have you ever went to the gym and just couldnt get into doing your workout? You felt tired, run down and your exercises just seemed harder than usual, ie you just couldnt get 8 reps at 200 pounds when you did the same 8 reps at 200 last week and it was easy? You have entered the early stages of over training. Believe it or not what you do at the gym is only a small part of what makes you gain muscle. You also need to pay attention to your diet and rest. If you want to continue to train like you cant over train, I say go for it! That will make it a lot easier for me to catch up and pass you in muscle size and strength. Good Luck, I hope I didnt go over anyones head but I tried to include some useful info in my post. . . . . . .Red Great post, alot of good info in there. Yeah I do believe that if u spend 3-4 hrs in the gym everyday (NOT INCLUDING CARDIO) you are really doing yourself a disservice. Personally, I train one body part a day for about an hour, I just really blast the hell out of it till there is nothing left in that muscle. I always train heavy, so i know im growing. I really can't see myself working out any much longer than that cuz im just spinning my wheels, and besideds theres nothing left in the tank anyway after lifting so heavy anyway. However this is what works for me only. Only you can know what truly works for you. However this is what i do see all the time in gym. Skinny ppl or chunky ppl (not bulky muscular) that workout endless hours and thier body never changes. I know cuz i always hear them complaining. Meanwhile, I just go in there, get my hour done, and some wonder if i take anything more than a protien powder lol. Remember what Arnold said; Sometimes you have to train smarter, not harder.
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redrider
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Post by redrider on May 28, 2008 12:39:35 GMT -5
Exactly Right. Hulk!
I used to workout harder than almost anyone else but then it hit me so now I workout smarter and spend less time while getting better results.
I also have to agree that since I started trying to keep my workout to about an hour, not includeing cardio, or less Ive gotten better results. Im currently on a 3 day split but everyone needs to try diffrerent things and find the ones that work for them. Very good post. . . . . . . . .Red
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gino
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Post by gino on Jun 9, 2008 22:14:29 GMT -5
It's not BS. Try training for 7 days a week without a day off, I'll bet you'll soon feel the effects of overtraining!
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Post by mind2muscle on Jun 18, 2008 7:33:27 GMT -5
I ALWAYS train longer than an hour. I feel like I haven't done enough, and that I don't have the time to do everything within an hour. I usually train for 1 hour and a half. I guess it would be very good to supplement with amino acid while training then. Then after like 45 mins take it. I just can't always afford it.
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